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PostSubject: morality   Wed Aug 20, 2008 2:09 am

is there absolute morality?
if so why?
if not why not?
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PostSubject: Re: morality   Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:26 pm

yes. i've seen greatness from people and i've seen evil. we would all agree that there are certain things that no one should do. if a holocaust is wrong, that means there is a morality being broken
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PostSubject: Re: morality   Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:39 pm

john wrote:
yes. i've seen greatness from people and i've seen evil. we would all agree that there are certain things that no one should do. if a holocaust is wrong, that means there is a morality being broken


but that answer says nothing

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we would all agree that there are certain things that no one should do.


says who. there are tons of people who dont believe that anything is worng, at least not universally, and what makes these things wrong?
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PostSubject: Re: morality   Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:00 pm

john wrote:
we would all agree that there are certain things that no one should do.

Who is "we"? Everyone on this board? Everyone in this country? Everyone in the world?

Everyone has different ideas of what constitute as right and wrong. There are certain morals and standards that are commonly shared by most people (we seem to have some inhibition on maliciously or unjustifiably hurting or killing people, for example), but they certainly aren't absolute.
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PostSubject: Re: morality   Thu Aug 21, 2008 4:27 pm

that fact that we all believe individually in right and wrongs means that there is some sort of right and wrong. why else would we have the nature to define things as right and wrong? just because we may disagree on what those things may or may not be does not mean that there is not a right or wrong. my point though is not to convince you that what im saying is the truth, its just to state what i believe. im sorry if somehow that offended you. it seems like you are a little upset in the way you are calling out what i believe to be the truth on the matter.
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PostSubject: Re: morality   Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:35 pm


Just wait.
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PostSubject: Re: morality   Sat Aug 23, 2008 8:21 am

i believe there is no way to attain a valid certainty as to morality and thus whether or not absolute morality exists collapses in the face of our human limitations. all we have are personal beliefs, and those beliefs are what have practical application.

any sort of statement about morality is absolute in some sense or context, so "yes" or "no" only have meaning in specific instances.

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PostSubject: Re: morality   Tue Aug 26, 2008 7:13 pm

It often appears as though morality is contingent upon the combined factors of social/cultural conditioning, personal survival, and collective altruism.

Through all of that, I believe that there is space for the Image of God to express itself. But what do I know, I'm one of those weird Jesus folk geek
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PostSubject: Re: morality   Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:46 pm

I believe that there is no absolute morality. A person's morality depends on their culture, how they were raised, religious ideals etc. There are some that seem to be widely accepted, but none that are completely accepted. Morality depends on the individual. To use the example of the holocaust, which was touched on before, there were many people that saw nothing wrong with the holocaust and there will always be those people. An example I remember from a sociology class I took was about a specific tribe that believes in digging up their ancestors and dining with them on specific holidays. There's also an artist who uses cadavers for art and another I've heard about that will starve animals as an art form. Alot of cultures would see that as desecrating bodies and animal cruelty, but these people see this as morally acceptable.
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PostSubject: Re: morality   Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:51 am

i dont know if anyone said EVERYONE would deem at least one thing as wrong. but the fact people deem anything at all right and wrong should be considered when viewing this issue. if there were no innate desire to determine whether things are right or wrong then i could concede there is no absolute morality, but the fact that people yearn to determine these things would be a possible effect of that absolute morality. and if there is absolute morality (which i believe there is), using people who violate these as a rationale for there not being absolute morality is like saying that 2+2 does not equal 4 because some people decided somewhere they didnt agree. whether they agree or not, 2+2 still equals 4. thats the whole idea of absolute. and one last thing, even the "absence" of absolute morality would in itself dictate an absolute morality does exist. the morality that we are all free to do and decide what we want would be the absolute moral.
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