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PostSubject: the Dope and You.   Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:22 pm

so this is not a "should marijuana be legalized" debate, and I'm not entirely sure that it's a debate at all, but I've been wondering so this is going here, get over it.

I've only smoked pot a handful of times and just recently started to get high. but enough about me. I was wondering, for all you who smoke or who have smoked, what's the experience like for you? what does it do for you, or what does it not do for you? if you have smoked for a long time, has the experience changed? are the trips always different? etc.

just, you know, explain.
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PostSubject: Re: the Dope and You.   Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:34 pm

I've smoked my fair share in the past five years....I don't think it really gets any better the more you do it. It pretty much affects everyone differently, some people get really into it and others couldn't care less. I would rather have a cigarette personally. Quality of the pot counts too, naturally.

I think it makes you dumb too, sorta, I've had friends who were every day pot smokers who quit doing it and all of them say their head feels a lot more clear. Pot smokers definitely have weaker conversation skills in my experience.

Pot people forgive me, I live with two people who wake and bake and pretty much stay that way all day, I am allowed to be scathing.
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PostSubject: Re: the Dope and You.   Fri Feb 13, 2009 4:17 am

There was this guy in my music theory class who was a pot head, he was really funny. Can't say I aspired to be like he was, but he was good entertainment.

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PostSubject: Re: the Dope and You.   Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:36 am

Honestly, people who haven't done it - or who don't have an urge to do it - will have an infinite misconception.

It's relaxing and chill as shit. If you need an escape from sobriety I'd say it's the number one deterrent. It's far healthier than alcohol and doesn't have nearly as many side effects.

Alcohol is more evil than weed. Hands down.

And that's probably why alcohol is legal.
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PostSubject: Re: the Dope and You.   Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:46 am

I'd like to try some weed sometime.
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PostSubject: Re: the Dope and You.   Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:00 am

Maxii wrote:
Honestly, people who haven't done it - or who don't have an urge to do it - will have an infinite misconception.

It's relaxing and chill as shit. If you need an escape from sobriety I'd say it's the number one deterrent. It's far healthier than alcohol and doesn't have nearly as many side effects.

Alcohol is more evil than weed. Hands down.

And that's probably why alcohol is legal.


whoa, son, we're about to have a real debate. you're making some exploitable statements.
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PostSubject: Re: the Dope and You.   Sun Feb 15, 2009 2:34 pm

hahah, I was waiting for you to read that.
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PostSubject: Re: the Dope and You.   Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:22 pm

I don't need a high to relax or have a good time

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PostSubject: Re: the Dope and You.   Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:04 am

Maxii wrote:


It's far healthier than alcohol and doesn't have nearly as many side effects.

Alcohol is more evil than weed. Hands down.

And that's probably why alcohol is legal.


No disrespect to you, but I find these statements to be complete and utter bullshit.




http://www.nida.nih.gov/infofacts/marijuana.html

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THC acts upon specific sites in the brain, called cannabinoid receptors, kicking off a series of cellular reactions that ultimately lead to the “high” that users experience when they smoke marijuana. Some brain areas have many cannabinoid receptors; others have few or none. The highest density of cannabinoid receptors are found in parts of the brain that influence pleasure, memory, thoughts, concentration, sensory and time perception, and coordinated movement.1

Not surprisingly, marijuana intoxication can cause distorted perceptions, impaired coordination, difficulty in thinking and problem solving, and problems with learning and memory. Research has shown that marijuana’s adverse impact on learning and memory can last for days or weeks after the acute effects of the drug wear off.2 As a result, someone who smokes marijuana every day may be functioning at a suboptimal intellectual level all of the time.

Research on the long-term effects of marijuana abuse indicates some changes in the brain similar to those seen after long-term abuse of other major drugs. For example, cannabinoid withdrawal in chronically exposed animals leads to an increase in the activation of the stress-response system3 and changes in the activity of nerve cells containing dopamine.4 Dopamine neurons are involved in the regulation of motivation and reward, and are directly or indirectly affected by all drugs of abuse.


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A number of studies have shown an association between chronic marijuana use and increased rates of anxiety, depression, suicidal ideation, and schizophrenia. Some of these studies have shown age at first use to be a factor, where early use is a marker of vulnerability to later problems. However, at this time, it not clear whether marijuana use causes mental problems, exacerbates them, or is used in attempt to self-medicate symptoms already in existence. Chronic marijuana use, especially in a very young person, may also be a marker of risk for mental illnesses, including addiction, stemming from genetic or environmental vulnerabilities, such as early exposure to stress or violence. At the present time, the strongest evidence links marijuana use and schizophrenia and/or related disorders6. High doses of marijuana can produce an acute psychotic reaction, and research suggests that in vulnerable individuals, marijuana use may be a factor that increases risk for the disease.






http://www.parl.gc.ca/37/1/parlbus/commbus/senate/com-e/ille-e/library-e/Wheelock-e.pdf

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When cannabis is smoked by non-tolerant individuals, physiological and behavioural
effects appear rapidly. Huestis and colleagues55 found that subjects displayed mean heart
rate increases of 46.0 ± 18.6 and 55.8 ± 22.2 beats per minute over baseline levels
following the smoking of a single 1.75 percent or 3.55 percent THC cigarette,
respectively. Peak effects occurred at 17.4 ± 4.8 and 13.8 ± 4.2 minutes after initiation of
smoking of the low- or high-dose cigarette. Maximum effects were recorded within four
to six minutes after the last puff of cannabis smoke.


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Macrophages. Alveoli macrophages are the principal immune-effector cells in the lung
and are primarily responsible for protecting the lung against infectious microorganisms,
inhaled foreign substances, and tumour cells. They are increased during tissue
inflammation. In a large sample of volunteers, habitual cannabis smokers had twice as
many alveolar macrophages as nonsmokers, and smokers of both cannabis and tobacco
had twice as many again79. Cannabis smoking also reduced the ability of alveoli
macrophages to kill fungi, pathogenic bacteria, and tumour target cells. Furthermore,
cannabis smoking depressed production of proinflammatory cytokines, which are
important regulators of macrophage function. This cannabis-related decrease in
inflammatory cytokine production might be a mechanism whereby cannabis smokers are
less able to destroy fungal and bacteria organisms, as well as tumour cells.

The inability of alveolar macrophages from habitual cannabis smokers without apparent
disease to destroy fungi, bacteria, and tumour cells, and to release proinflammatory
cytokines, suggests that cannabis might be an immunosuppressant with clinically
significant effects on host defense.





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Bronchial tissue changes. Habitual cannabis smoking is associated with changes in the
lining of the human respiratory tract. Many cannabis or tobacco smokers have increased
redness (erythema) and swelling (edema) of the airway tissues and increased mucous
secretions 80. In cannabis smokers the number and size of small blood vessels in the
bronchial wall are increased, tissue edema is present, and the normal ciliated cells –
which transport mucous toward the mouth by rapid wave-like motion – lining the inner
surface of the bronchial wall are largely replaced by mucous-secreting goblet cells.
Overproduction of mucous by the increased numbers of mucous-secreting cells in the
presence of decreased numbers of ciliated cells tends to leave coughing as the only major
mechanism to remove mucous from the airways; this might explain the relatively high
proportion of cannabis smokers who complain of chronic cough and phlegm
production81.



Trust me, from experience I know that having a few drinks of alcohol won't do that shit to you. And don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be all self-rightous and all. I have no problem with people who smoke pot, as I have many friends who do it. I'm definitely not advocating alcohol as well, although I do take a drink here and there when I can. I just hate it when people try to pull the "marijuana is healthier than alcohol" card. Both can be harmful in different ways if abused.
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PostSubject: Re: the Dope and You.   Tue Mar 03, 2009 4:12 pm

for now, let me admonish you for resurrecting a dead thread, then applaud you for revitalizing a dead section of the forum, i can definately see the psychological aspects and affects in my two pothead roommates, more later
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PostSubject: Re: the Dope and You.   Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:01 pm

I love when people resurrect dead threads, it makes me happy. Seriously.
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PostSubject: Re: the Dope and You.   Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:44 pm

I was hoping to get a huge debate going since I know some of the posters here are pro-marijuana. Looks like I failed. Sad
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PostSubject: Re: the Dope and You.   Wed Mar 04, 2009 12:42 am

I would NEVER argue that marijuana is better for you than alcohol. Hopefully someone will, though, for your sake. They'll probably lose.
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PostSubject: Re: the Dope and You.   Wed Mar 04, 2009 2:48 am

Honestly, weed can be bad for you if you abuse it, just like alcohol. There are thousands upon thousands of people who use weed in a responsible way and do not let it negatively affect their lives. The same thing goes for booze.

I think you can't really put weed or alcohol (or alot of other mild drugs for that matter) into one basket and say that they are horrible for everyone who uses them. They'll have negative aspects and positive aspects to them, but depending on who you are and how you use them, there's a good chance that the positive aspects will be much higher than the negative ones.

Weed is stronger than something like caffeine, so you have to consider alot more things when deciding whether to smoke or not, but I'd put the two in the same category.
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PostSubject: Re: the Dope and You.   Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:08 am

Marijuana, when inhaled through a vaporizer, is healthier (physically) than alcohol. Otherwise you have to account for the smoke damage to your lungs and bla bla bla.

Personal experices: First time I smoke I was paranoid, nervous, and it was just plain awful. I was in a parking lot with a new friend and an ex girlfriend, and then the cops showed up. Luckily they didn't notice and just asked us to leave because the park was closed.

I've had some less than great experiences with the drug. Last summer my favorite pastime was getting high and then going to a movie theater. I can't honestly remember half of the movies I saw. I can remember going to see Pineapple Express, but I can't tell you anything about the movie.

Shortly after that I realized that if I take between 1-3 hits (bowl) 1 (bong) then I'm pleasantly high, I can remember everything, I can act perfectly normal, and music is fucking AWESOME. I've had some of my best conversations while high, and some great memories. I used to hang out with a bunch of stoner musicians on any given night and they would smoke a few bowls each, or a few J's and I'd just take a hit or two and we'd play music for hours and it was amazing.

So. To wrap it up. I encourage those that enjoy the substance to enjoy it responsibly. I'd never let myself start smoking every day. I think a few times a week is a max. I've been clean for about two months now because of where I'm living.
I've had a lot of fun lately, and it's helped me realize that I don't NEED it to relax or have fun, etc. But looking back, I can say that it's enjoyable, fun, and good socially.
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